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		<title>By: Mike Caulfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Caulfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the big one is &quot;The Fear&quot;, which was written supposedly by Allen and a guy named Greg Kurstin -- but when I see a 20 year old singer &quot;co-writing&quot; with a 40 year old songwriter I usually discount it.It&#039;s not on the level of Love Story, but it reminds me of some of the better pop from the 80s:



&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-wGMlSuX_c&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-wGMlSuX_c&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the big one is &#8220;The Fear&#8221;, which was written supposedly by Allen and a guy named Greg Kurstin &#8212; but when I see a 20 year old singer &#8220;co-writing&#8221; with a 40 year old songwriter I usually discount it.It&#8217;s not on the level of Love Story, but it reminds me of some of the better pop from the 80s:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-wGMlSuX_c" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-wGMlSuX_c</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bradleigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradleigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is funny cos I was strongly considering writing a whole &#039;nother beast of a post on this specific song alone.  It&#039;s a rarity in pop form for a myriad of reasons, the best of which you touched on very eloquently here.  You&#039;re right about the structure-as-scene tools that are being employed throughout, &amp; it was a point I was floundering to get across in my post.  Not only is it a feat to write your own #1 hit in today&#039;s pop radio world - &amp; especially for a 19 year old popstress to do so - but to write one that is so convincingly self-conscious &amp; masterfully structured...I don&#039;t think the usual music fan gives those who can pull it off nearly enough credit.  Part of what I was trying to say here was that pop stars like Prince, MJ, whomever, are all given hearty praise merely in hindsight - their songs are popular in their own time, but looked down on by &quot;serious&quot; music critics with &quot;real&quot; ideas until years later.  Why do we only care about Purple Rain as an artistic piece when it&#039;s released as a double-disc 20th anniversary gold disc edition?  It&#039;s immature &amp; silly.

This is where I think a song like &quot;Love Story&quot; should be recognized in its time &amp; with the language we usually reserve merely for hindsight.  Its form is shamelessly framed by the structures of a well written suspense tale, its little nuances coming at perfect times to accent its meaning &amp; climax with an impeccable sense of what it means to tease a listener (one of the finer moments of the song is the little &quot;Huh, huh&quot; just before the second chorus kicks in; it&#039;s the sound of expectation, excitement, &amp; young desire).  And as a more taste-oriented point, I agree with you that the girl has a fantastic set of pipes for what she&#039;s pulling off - that slight pop-country twang is inevitable but hardly noticeable except as an after thought, &amp; her range is meant to pull just the right emotions out of the listener rather than just show-off (something that Mariah Carey, for example, had in her hey-day, but lost quickly with time).

As a last note, I&#039;ve heard the name Lily Allen, but I&#039;m not sure who she is or what she sings?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is funny cos I was strongly considering writing a whole &#8216;nother beast of a post on this specific song alone.  It&#8217;s a rarity in pop form for a myriad of reasons, the best of which you touched on very eloquently here.  You&#8217;re right about the structure-as-scene tools that are being employed throughout, &amp; it was a point I was floundering to get across in my post.  Not only is it a feat to write your own #1 hit in today&#8217;s pop radio world &#8211; &amp; especially for a 19 year old popstress to do so &#8211; but to write one that is so convincingly self-conscious &amp; masterfully structured&#8230;I don&#8217;t think the usual music fan gives those who can pull it off nearly enough credit.  Part of what I was trying to say here was that pop stars like Prince, MJ, whomever, are all given hearty praise merely in hindsight &#8211; their songs are popular in their own time, but looked down on by &#8220;serious&#8221; music critics with &#8220;real&#8221; ideas until years later.  Why do we only care about Purple Rain as an artistic piece when it&#8217;s released as a double-disc 20th anniversary gold disc edition?  It&#8217;s immature &amp; silly.</p>
<p>This is where I think a song like &#8220;Love Story&#8221; should be recognized in its time &amp; with the language we usually reserve merely for hindsight.  Its form is shamelessly framed by the structures of a well written suspense tale, its little nuances coming at perfect times to accent its meaning &amp; climax with an impeccable sense of what it means to tease a listener (one of the finer moments of the song is the little &#8220;Huh, huh&#8221; just before the second chorus kicks in; it&#8217;s the sound of expectation, excitement, &amp; young desire).  And as a more taste-oriented point, I agree with you that the girl has a fantastic set of pipes for what she&#8217;s pulling off &#8211; that slight pop-country twang is inevitable but hardly noticeable except as an after thought, &amp; her range is meant to pull just the right emotions out of the listener rather than just show-off (something that Mariah Carey, for example, had in her hey-day, but lost quickly with time).</p>
<p>As a last note, I&#8217;ve heard the name Lily Allen, but I&#8217;m not sure who she is or what she sings?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Caulfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Caulfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Taylor Swift Love Story song is a favorite of my 9 year old kid right now (along with Fearless), and even though I think there is too much Nashville style composition on the radio right now, I encouraged her to listen to it over the Miley Cyrus crap (sorry, not elitist, but it is really unlistenable). 

You&#039;ve hit on the core of that song -- besides having a vocal which has a from the lungs power that many teendivas are lacking, the core of Swift lies in really in the composition. Since I make my daughter look up the writers of her favorite songs, I&#039;m blessed with the knowledge that Taylor Swift actually wrote the song, which is really uncommon these days. I also know that she composed the song in the method I favor myself -- by starting out with a fragment of melody and lyrics, and slowly working out what the story surrounding it was -- in her case it was the line &quot;This love is difficult, but it&#039;s real&quot; -- which is actually the core theme of the song, and what gives it it&#039;s resonance.

Yet that line, which is really the crux of the argument of the song, doesn&#039;t appear until right before the bridge. And actually the progression there is really interesting too -- there are ways in which the use of verb tenses remind me a bit of some of Tom Waits stuff:

&lt;blockquote&gt;That you were Romeo, you were throwing pebbles
And my Daddy said stay away from Juliet
And I was crying on the staircase
Begging you please don&#039;t go&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The tenses there make that a scene more than a narrative. Like most art, you can tell it&#039;s good, because if you rewrite it it loses something:

&lt;blockquote&gt;That you were Romeo; you threw pebbles
And my Daddy said stay away from Juliet
So I cried on the staircase 
And begged you not to go&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s a minor thing, it&#039;s still a strong segment without the tense shift, but there&#039;s so many little things like that in this song. I actually learned to play the song on request of my daughter, it&#039;s a relatively common chord progression, but the interaction of the melody with the chords really creates this sense of inexorable build. 

I&#039;ll tell you what -- give me a CD of Taylor Swift and one of Devendra Banhart and a long car ride, it&#039;s likely I&#039;d go with the Taylor Swift. 

There I said that, on record. 

I also think the Lily Allen stuff is quite good, although she&#039;s not writing it per se.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Taylor Swift Love Story song is a favorite of my 9 year old kid right now (along with Fearless), and even though I think there is too much Nashville style composition on the radio right now, I encouraged her to listen to it over the Miley Cyrus crap (sorry, not elitist, but it is really unlistenable). </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve hit on the core of that song &#8212; besides having a vocal which has a from the lungs power that many teendivas are lacking, the core of Swift lies in really in the composition. Since I make my daughter look up the writers of her favorite songs, I&#8217;m blessed with the knowledge that Taylor Swift actually wrote the song, which is really uncommon these days. I also know that she composed the song in the method I favor myself &#8212; by starting out with a fragment of melody and lyrics, and slowly working out what the story surrounding it was &#8212; in her case it was the line &#8220;This love is difficult, but it&#8217;s real&#8221; &#8212; which is actually the core theme of the song, and what gives it it&#8217;s resonance.</p>
<p>Yet that line, which is really the crux of the argument of the song, doesn&#8217;t appear until right before the bridge. And actually the progression there is really interesting too &#8212; there are ways in which the use of verb tenses remind me a bit of some of Tom Waits stuff:</p>
<blockquote><p>That you were Romeo, you were throwing pebbles<br />
And my Daddy said stay away from Juliet<br />
And I was crying on the staircase<br />
Begging you please don&#8217;t go</p></blockquote>
<p>The tenses there make that a scene more than a narrative. Like most art, you can tell it&#8217;s good, because if you rewrite it it loses something:</p>
<blockquote><p>That you were Romeo; you threw pebbles<br />
And my Daddy said stay away from Juliet<br />
So I cried on the staircase<br />
And begged you not to go</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s a minor thing, it&#8217;s still a strong segment without the tense shift, but there&#8217;s so many little things like that in this song. I actually learned to play the song on request of my daughter, it&#8217;s a relatively common chord progression, but the interaction of the melody with the chords really creates this sense of inexorable build. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you what &#8212; give me a CD of Taylor Swift and one of Devendra Banhart and a long car ride, it&#8217;s likely I&#8217;d go with the Taylor Swift. </p>
<p>There I said that, on record. </p>
<p>I also think the Lily Allen stuff is quite good, although she&#8217;s not writing it per se.</p>
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